Note: Witnesses to the marriage were Joseph GARNER and G W Marshall. In 1841 they were living in Well Street, St Cuthbert, Thetford and John was a carpenter. Also living with the family were Henry JACKSON aged 15 and Charles JACKSON aged 10 both servants.

In 1804 two messuages in Thetford were leased by William Stearne (see the Stearne tree here. ) to John Winterbourne carpenter as tenant. An 1804 indenture states that John was the lessee of two messuages and afurther deed shows that at the cessation of the lease he bought the freehold a day after the lease expired, and was required (if asked) by the owners to pay "one peppercorn" for his occupance between the lease and the transfer of land. - the property was two freehold messuages in Well Street, Thetford. , and the messuages which could not be used as dower for John's wife Mary. 36a William OLDMAN, his brother in law was a guarantor.

In 1818 John (described as a schoolmaster) borrowed £100 against his two messuages from John WEST which required a payment of £5 a year, but in 1845 John West died and the executors of his widow Elizabeth West sold the mortgage bond to Alexander RIDPATH, with John still paying £5 a year. At this time John had reverted to being a carpenter

Child of John and Mary
39a......William bap 1802 Thetford St Mary
39b......Sally b 23 Oct 1810 Thetford bap 5 Mar 1811 privately
Note in 1841 Sally was recorded as a female servant
39c......William b 14 Apr 1815 bap 6 Aug 1815 Thetford St Cuthbert

Note: Witnesses to the marriage were Robert PORTEY, Margaret SPEARMAN and Robert Sagrott MARSHALL

Children of John and Jane
40b......Ruth bap 5 Nov 1815 Thetford
40c......George bap 17 Mar 1820 Thetford
40d......Martha bap 8 May 1822 Thetford

73......Daniel bap 16 Jan 1814
74......John bap 1826
75......Ann bap 1826
76......Martha bap 1831

GENERATION 6

Note: Witness was Stephen OLDMAN. Daniel was described as a millwright in 1846 in Methwold and in 1851, but he was still in Methwold in 1861, apparently as landlord of the Bell Inn. In the 1881 census he is living at High Street with Sally ADCOCK, his wife whom he married in 1st qr 1876 [Norwich 4b 167]. The 1891 census shows him as a lodger at 12 St Georges Road, Yarmouth.

Children of Daniel and Elizabeth
77......William b 1848 Methwold died young
78......Elizabeth Kettle b 1849 Methwold m John Jarred CRISP, carrier in Northwold
79......Mary Ann b 1850 Methwold d 1933, Auckland, NZ m William Collinson BUNKALL, a butcher in Northwold
80......William George b 1sr qr 1852 [Thetford 4b 427]
81......Arthur Lambert b 1st qr 1853 [Thetford 4b 413]
82......Walter Daniel b 1854 Methwold d in USA
Note: Walter married and he and his family emigrated on RMS Campania (Cunard Line) to the USA. You can see a picture and description of the vessel here. There is a record in a 1910 census of the Green brothers (William George and Walter Daniel) having a "Men's furnishing" shop at 214 Smithfield Street, Pittsburgh

Note: In 1841 the family was living at Street, Taverham and Isaac was a paper maker

Children of Isaac and Mary
62b......Elizabeth b 1826 Taverham
62c......Margaret b 1836 Taverham
62d......William b 1841 Taverham

And with thanks to Richard Brown, the following extract from the Norfolk Chronicle of 25 July 1846: 'On Saturday afternoon an accident occurred at the mill of Mr. William Oldman junior of this place (Thetford) situate very near a deep cutting in the Norfolk line of railway by which all the sails were broken off. There is no doubt but that it was occasioned by the operation of the bridge across the line very near being so much elevated, together with the cutting producing an effect upon the current of wind which was at that time boisterous. The proprietor had made application some months since to the Company for compensation on account of making the cutting so near which very materially injures his mill.'

Child of William and Hannah
83......Mary Elizabeth b 8 Dec 1841 Thetford St Peters
83a....Martha b 4 Mar 1843 Thetford St Peters.
83b....William Jackson b 1st qr 1845 [Thetford 13 325]

Note: James was a bricklayer in 1841and the family was at Bury Rd, Papermakers' Arms Inn, St Mary Thetford. In 1851 James was a builder, living at Bury Rd, Thetford

Children of James and Elizabeth
64b......Elizabeth bap 10 Jul 1831 Thetford St Mary
64c......James bap 16 Sep 1832 Thetford St Mary
Note: James was a bricklayer in 1851
64d......Mary Ann bap 21 Dec 1837 Thetford St Mary
64e......Susannah b 3 Oct 1840 Thetfordbap 19 Sep 1841 Thetford St Mary

Note: Elizabeth was a member of the Methodist church and a sunday school teacher in 1824. John had been an apprentice baker as a boy, in 1829 he was a cabinet maker - still a cabinet maker in 1841, the family had two servants: Ann FROST aged 60 and Mary GOOCH aged 15. There was also an apprentice living in - William STONE aged 15. In 1861 John is shown as a cabinet maker and upholsterer living in King Street, Thetford, when they had an apprentice, Ezekiel REEVE (b 1843 Bridgham) and a house servant, Susan DIXON. Elizabeth died at King Street, Thetford of "Malignant disease of the liver" from which she had suffered some six months. Her daughter Sarah (87) registered the death. In 1871 John was still an upholsterer employing one man and one boy, living at Grotto Place, Thetford. In 1881 census he was living with his wife Elizabeth nee Cole aged 67 at 7 Thetford St Peter

Children of John and Elizabeth
84......Mary Elizabeth b 11 Jul 1829 Thetford bap 11 Oct 1829 Thetford St Cuthbert
85......Ann b 11 Jan 1831 bap 22 Apr 1831 Thetford Wesleyan
86......Harriet b 6 Dec 1833 bap 5 Jan 1834 Thetford Wesleyan d 1st qr 1843 Thetford [Thetford 13 223]
87......Jane dob unknown
88......Sarah b 4th qr 1840 [Thetford 13 283]
88a....Harriet Ann bap 5 Aug 1843 Thetford St Cuthbert

Note: see memorial transcription In 1861 William and Sarah were living at 34 Kings Road, Chelsea where William was a fruiterer. Mary C DUNN, a servant aged 15, born in Chelsea also lived with the family

Child of William and Sarah
89......William b 1st qr 1845 [Chelsea 3 35]

Note: Witnesses to the wedding were 72 William James OLDMAN and James SMITH. This William Pennack was the same man who married 66 Anna Oldman above. In 1881 they were living at 35 Gunter Grove, Chelsea.

Children of William and Mary Ann
90......Edith Sarah b 3rd qr 1873 [Chelsea 1a 263]
91......Annie Caroline b 10 Mar 1875 [Chelsea 1a 270]
92......Ethel b 20 Jan 1879 [Chelmsford 4a 417]

Child of Stephen and Sarah
93......William James b 5th May 1839 [family bible] Thetford d 29 Dec 1921[family bible] [Christchurch 2b 877]
94......Sarah Caroline b 2nd qr 1840 [Thetford 13 301]

Children of Stephen and Ann
95......Harriet dob unknown, died Mar 1842
96......James Kettle b 1st qr 1842, died 23 Mar 1843
97......Harriet Anna dob not known, died 3rd qr 1843 [Thetford 13 284]
98......James Kettle b 2nd qr 1843, died 4th qr 1844 [Thetford 13 236]
99......John b 14 Jan 1845 [Cert] was an apprentice miller in 1861 d 9 Nov 1908 [Freebridge Lynn 4b 173]
100....Stephen b 2nd qr 1846 [Thetford 13 330] bap 1847 d 29 March 1932 at home at Grey Gables, Thetford
Note: Cause of death was given as arteriosclerosis and cerebral softening
101....Mary Ann Susannah b 13 Sep 1847 [Thetford 13 273] d 23 Nov 1923 [Macclesfield 8a 134]
102....Robert b 4th qr 1848 [Thetford 13 292] d 3rd qr 1850 [Thetford 13 251]
103....Arthur b 7 Nov 1849 [Thetford 13 298] bap 1850 d Nov 1877 [Chesterton 3b 283]
104....Edward, b 3rd qr 1859 [Thetford 4b 403]
Note: Edward became a clerk by the 1881 census
105....Frederick b 2 Jun 1861 Thetford [Thetford 4b 355] d 28 Nov 1908
Note: In 1881 Frederick was a clerk in a corn merchants office, living with 71 William and Mary Ann Susannah Pennack at 35 Gunter Grove, Chelsea. In 1891 he was a secretary boarding at 17 Deerbrook Road, Lambeth. He married either Mary Ann EICKHOFF or Susan Caroline TURNER 3rd qr 1898 [Bethnal Green 1c 373] and had a child, Ann OLDMAN

Note: Joseph was a miller at Tuddenham in 1841)

Children of Joseph and Elizabeth
G2......Eleanor b 20 Mar 1822 Brandon bap 14 Apr 1822 Brandon m Thomas RICE (b 1817/1818 Tuddenham) 27 May 1844 Tuddenham
G3......Clarissa b 25 Mar 1824 bap 11 Apr 1824 Tuddenham
G4......Sarah Ann b 13 Aug 1825 Tuddenham bap 11 Sep 1825 Tuddenham d between 1855 and 1860
G5......Louisa b 30 Jun 1827 Tuddenham bap 29 Jul 1827 Tuddenham d 4 Sep 1846 Thetford
G6......Joseph b 27 Sep 1828 Tuddenham bap 26 Oct 1828 Tuddenham d 8 Oct 1911 Beachville, Oxford Co, Ontario, Canada

G7......George b 28 Jun 1830 Tuddenham bap 18 Jul 1830 Tuddenham
G8......Emily b 21 Mar 1832 Tuddenham bap 15 Apr 1832 Tuddenham d 27 Feb 1912 Bradford, Yorks
G9......Thomas Charles b 12 Dec 1833 Tuddenham bap 16 Feb 1834 Tuddenham d 4th qr 1916 [Goole 9c 1054]
G10....Hannah b 28 Oct 1835 Tuddenham bap 24 Jan 1836 Tuddenham
G11....Elizabeth b 18 Nov 1838 Tuddenham bap 25 Dec 1838 Tuddenham
G12....Susannah b 15 Jan 1840 Tuddenham bap 31 May 1840 Tuddenham d 7 Sep 1841 Tuddenham
G13....Augusta b 19 Jul 1841 Tuddenham bap 22 Aug 1841 d 4 Sep 1846 Thetford
Note: Augusta died of Typhoid fever

Note: In 1841 the family was at 13 Belle Vue Place, Tower Hamlets. Robert died of phthisis (TB) at 34 Morpeth Street Bthnal Green

Children of Robert and Elizabeth
H2......Rosetta Sarah bap 4 Jan 1832 St Dunstan's Stepney m Charles HOUSE
H3......George b between 1833 and 1834 Stepney bap 25 Jan 1835 St Dunstans, Stepney
Note: George emigrated to Melbourne, Australia as a boy
H4......Robert b between 1835 and 1836 Stepney d 18 Apr 1883 Lambing Creek, NSW, Australia
H5......Maria b 13 Aug 1837 Stepney d 16 Apr 1838 Stepney
Note Maria died of whooping cough
H6......Martha Elizabeth b 24 Feb 1839 Stepney
H7......Henry James b 28 Jan 1841 Stepney d 3 Mar 1900 Islington
Note: Henry died of carcinoma of the rectum: he was a canvasser
H8......James b 15 Feb 1843 Bethnal Green bur 14 Feb 1920 Greymouth, South Island, New Zealand H9......Maria b 18 Feb 1845 Bethnal Green d 30 Dec 1898 Blackpool m William Ricardus CHEW 3rd qr 1875 [Kensington 1a 5]
H10....Ann b 9 Feb 1847 Bethnal Green d 1 Dec 1915 Cheshunt m William SIRED 2nd qr 1871 [Pancras 1b 80]
Note: In a letter from Annie (Sired) Robson, written in 1923: "We have been in New Zealand 18 years & until last year didn't know of any relative here. Then I saw Mr. [Denton's ?] death in a paper & sent the notice to Aunt Pattie & she was very anxious to know if Aunt Lizzie's boy had lived so I looked them up. I found Uncle Jim's family at Greymouth."
H11....Elizabeth Jane b 20 Apr 1849 Bethnal Green

Note: John was a carpenter In 1861 the family was at Back St, Thetford and they employed a live in maid, Sarah LOVELY (b 1846 Thetford.) and 4 men and one apprentice. In 1871 he was a builder who employed 4 men, two apprentices and one boy. By 1881 they were living in Earles Street and John had retired as a builder, where they had a servant living in Mary Ann GREEN aged 13 b Thetford. In 1891 John was a widower still at Earles Street and lived on his own with a housekeeper, Rebackah CADDY. John was a town councillor for Thetford in 1883.

Children of John and Susanna
M7......James b 8 Nov 1847 Thetford [Thetford 13 252]
M8......Mary b 26 Nov 1848 Thetford [Thetford 13 294] d May 1831
M9......Sarah b 18 Apr 1850 Thetford m Thomas CHELL (b 1851 Staveley) 2nd qr 1876 [Thetford 4b 675]
M10....Susan b 9 Nov 1851 Thetford [Thetford 13 317] d 1854 Thetford
M11....Anna b 1 Sep 1853 Thetford d 2nd qr 1840
M12....Susan b 29 Oct 1854 Thetford [Thetford 4b 380] d 1856 Thetford
M13....Robert b 31 Jan 1856 Thetford d 1902
M15....Susannah b 29 Jul 1857 Thetford [Thetford 4b 384] d 1858
M16....John Ancterbury b 1857 Thetford [Thetford 4b 384] bur 16 Nov 1905 Thetford Cemetery
M17....Elizabeth b 15 Dec 1859 Thetford [Thetford 4b 434] d 1860

Children of George and Rebecca
108......Betsy b abt 1837 North Lopham
109......Maria b 2nd qr 1840 North Lopham [Guiltcross 13 158]
110......Mary b 2nd qr 1844 North Lopham [Guiltcross 13 158]
111......Robert b 3rd qr 1846 North Lopham [Guiltcross 13 166]
Note: Robert was a land steward in 1881
112......George b 3rd qr 1848 Attleborough [Wayland 13 355]
113......Joseph John b2nd qr 1851 Attleborough [Wayland 13 410]
Note: Joseph was a railway clerk, living at the farm in 1881
114......Alice Rebecca b 3rd qr 1853 Attleborough [Wayland 13 223]
Note: Alice was staying with Charlotta LEGGE (born in Besthorpe) and her family at 14 Lansdowne Rd, Lambeth in 1881
115......Elizabeth b 3rd qr 1857 Attleborough [Wayland 13 231]

GENERATION 7

A photograph of many of the people in this and the previous generation taken about 1874 may be seen here

Note: Witnesses to the wedding were 72 William James OLDMAN and James SMITH

Children of William and Mary Ann
116......Edith Sarah b 3rd qr 1873 [Chelsea 1a 263]
117......Annie Caroline b 10 Mar 1875 [Chelsea 1a 270]
118......Ethel b 20 Jan 1879 [Chelmsford 4a 417]

Note: William James was a corn miller in 1845, and he was a head baker living at 71 Guildhall St in 1861, employing one boy and living in Guildhall St, Thetford with a housekeeper, Pheobe HINSON (b Soham abt 1834). He had another servant, Pheobe HUDSON (b Soham 1825). The family had a servant living in: Sarah Ann PEARMAIN aged 17 b Thetford

At one stage he lived at what is now 47 Earle Street, Thetford -see the photo below
He was also in partnership with his half bother Stephen Oldman jnr, (which was dissolved 31st Dec 1907) working as "Corn and seed merchants and auctioneers" at Thetford and Stow Bedon

121 Sally 2nd from left top row, 123 Gertrude Mary 5th from right, middle row and 122 Anna 4th from right middle row

Miss Youngs School Thetford about 1872

Child of John and Elizabeth
128......Anna S b 3rd qr 1866 Thetford [Thetford 4b 374]
Note: In 1891 Anna (Annie) was a schoolteacher visitor to Robert SPALDING at 83 Whiting Street, Bury St Edmunds aged 24

Children of John and Louisa
129......Albert John b 3 Jan 1870 [family bible] Thetford d 22 Oct 1911 [family bible][Conway 11b 578]
Note: Albert was an assistant teacher at B School in 1891 and was a lodger with Mary Ann GODDARD (b 1829) greengrocer at Magdelan Street, Thetford
130......Walter James b 18 Jan 1872 Guildhall Street, Thetford [Thetford 4b 390]
Note: In 1891 Walter James was a printer's apprentice
131......Ada Blanche b Sep 1873 Thetford [Thetford 4b 363]
Note: Ada was bookkeeper for the Mont Dore Hotel, Bournemouth in 1901
132......Florence Ethel b Sep 1876 Thetford [Thetford 4b 377]
133......Ernest William b 1st qr 1875 Thetford [Thetford 4b 379]d abt 1940
134......Harriet dob unknown
135......Agnes Laura b 18 Feb 1882 Thetford [family bible]
136......Stephen Benjamin b abt 1886 Ashill Norfolk

Children of Clarissa and unknown
G14......Edward or Edmund b 14 Mar 1845 Thetford d 2nd qr 1912 Freebridge Lynn [Freebridge Lynn 4b 344]
G15......Augusta b 9 Oct 1847 d 2 Jul 1934 Leytonstone

Note+ Thomas was a railway porter

Children of Thomas and Sarah
G16......Alfred b 16 Jan 1847 Mildenhall d 13 Feb 1860 Mildenhall
G17......Louisa b 19 Dec 1849 Mildenhall d 1st qr 1915 [Royston 3a 1095]
G18......Joseph William b 10 Aug 1855 Mildenhall d after 1901

Note: Witnesses to the wedding of Joseph and Martha were William SHAW and Harriet SAUNDERS. Witnesses to the wedding of Joseph and Florence were Clara SUTHERLAND and Hattie E WOODSWORTH.Note: In 1881 living at Oxford West, Oxford South Co, Ontario, with Theodore and Emma

Children of Joseph and Martha
G19......Theodore b 1853 [Mildenhall 4a 394] d abt 1857 Ware RD
G20......Harriet Elizabeth bap 11 Mar 1857 Hoddesdon d 1857 Ware RD
G21......Angelo "Joseph" b 2 Dec 1860 Hoddesdon d 9 Oct 1888 Petrolia, Lambton Co, Ontario, Canada
G22......Theodore b 4th qr 1862 Ware RD d 2 Mar 1885 West Oxford, Oxford Co, Ontario, Canada
G23......Emma b abt 1867 Ontario Canada d 24 Jan 1892 Woodstock Oxford Co, Ontario
Note: Emma was a Baptist

Child of Emily and unknown
G24......Sarah Ann Laura b 10 Nov 1859 East Wretham m Henry ATKINSON (b abt 1857) 2 Mar 1884 Bradford Yorks
G25......Ellen b Mar 1861 East Wretham
G26......Julia Elizabeth b 10 Oct 1862 Thetford
G27......Harriet b 3rd qr 1864 [Thetford 4b 417]
G28......Emily b 1st qr 1868 [Thetford 4b 391]
G29......George b 1st qr 1871 [Thetford 4b 424]
G30......Charles b 3rd qr 1875 [Keighley 9a 171]

Children of Thomas and Alice
G31......Joseph b 1861 Wellingore, Lincs
G32......Elizabeth b 1863 Louth, Lincs
G33......George b abt 1865 Lincs
G34......Mary Ann b 1867 Croft Lincs
G35......Alice b 1869 Croft Lincs
G36......Kate b 1871 Garthorpe Lincs
G37......Honerina b 1876 Garthorpe, Lincs

Note: Robert was in Australia for about 30 years. He was living on marriage at Red Ground, near Laggan, NSW. His death certificate states that he had suffered paralysis for about 4 months

Children of Robert and Caroline
H12......George b 1865 Goulburn, NSW d 1933 Trunkey, NSW m Sarah Ann ELVINS 1898 Tuena RD, NSW
H13......Robert b 1867 Goulburn, NSW d 1939 Liverpool RD, NSW
H14......John b 1868 Goulburn, NSW d 1932 Crookwell NSW m Amelia Maria BATES 1900 Crookwell, NSW
H15......William b 1869 Goulburn, NSW d 1870 Goulburn, NSW
H16......Elizabeth Mary b 1871 Goulburn, NSW d 11 Feb 1944 Trunkey RD NSW m Reuben PICKER 1900 Tuena RD, NSW
H17......Sophia b 1873 Goulburn, NSW d 1941 Crookwell RD, NSW m John William HAILSTONE 1896 Tuena RD, NSW
H18......Henry b 1875 Goulburn, NSW d 24 May 1951 Crookwell RD, NSW m Annie May HEARN 1907 Crookwell RD, NSW
H19......James b 1977 Carcoar, NSW d 1944 Crookwell RD, NSW
H20......Charles b 1879 Carcoar, NSW d 1926 Goulburn NSW m Matilda Caroline MOORE 1905 Goulburn, NSW

Children of James and Sarah
m1......Frederick John O b 1875 [Gloucester 6a 329]
m2......Rosa A b 2nd qr 1876 [Gloucester 6a 330]
m3......Agnes b 1883 Hammersmith
m4......Elizabeth (Bessie) b 1883 Hammersmith
m5......Winifred b 1886 Hammersmith

Children of William and Mary
m6......Harry Wallace b 3rd qr 1875 [Cambridge 3b 513]
m7......Albert Ancterbury b 1st qr 1877 [Cambridge 3b 537]
m8......Florence Mary b 3rd qr 1880 [Cambridge 3b 512] d 1st qr 1881 [Cambridge 3b 333]

Children of George and Anna
m9......Edith b 3rd qr 1878 [Thetford 4b 381]
m10....George John b 4th qr 1879 [Thetford 4b 391]

Note John had a shop in the village of Banham. In 1871 he had been a boarder at Bury St Edmunds Grammar School and in 1881 he was a "Grocer's Shopman in Cavendish, Suffolk. Elizabeth was the daughter of John Peddar BANE (b 8 Mar 1819 Aylesham Nfk) and Mary SNELLING (b 5 Apr 1829 Downham Market) who were married in Malton, Yorks June 1855

Children of John and Elizabeth
M18......Alice Ancterbury b 9 Oct 1884 Banham [Guiltcross 4b 256] d 1971 Felixstowe
M19......Sidney Ancterbury b 6 Aug 1887 Banham [Guiltcross 4b 239]
M20......Mabel Kate b 28 Apr 1889 Banham [Guiltcross 4b 260] d 1976 Felixstowe
M21......Winifred b 27 Apr 1891 Banham [Guiltcross 4b 261] d 1968 Felixstowe
M22......Ruby b 15 Jun 1893 Banham [Guiltcross 4b 252] d 1935 Peddar House, Beach Road East, Felixstowe
Note: Ruby was an accomplished golfer: winner of Stowmarket "Ladies Challenge Cup" 1921/22, 1923/24, 1925/26. Cup then retained by her, and at 'The Porch' thereafter. Card from M19 Sidney addressed to Hilda House, Finbow Road, Stowmarket, 1914-16 Ruby is believed (as told by M20 'Auntie Mabel'), to have made the clothes for the beautiful doll kept at the Porch. 'For Wendy' - said Auntie Mabel.
M23......an infant, dob unknown
M24......Alan Ancterbury b 30 Dec 1900 Banham [registered birth 2nd qr 1901 Guiltcross 4b 243] d 1972 Marylebone, London

Note: Witnesses to the marriage of Stephen and Jane were Joseph Fowell, senr, and Ellen Fowell.
A Wesleyan, 7 times Mayor of Thetford Stephen started out as a miller and corn merchant, but became a valuer, estate agent and auctioneer. A Liberal, he was governor for the Grammar School and a manager for the council schools. In 1874 he was living with Jane at Earles Lane, Thetford and was a Merchants Clerk when 75. Mary Ann OLDMAN his sister was living with Stephen, and the family had a maid, Mary Ann HAILSTONE aged 23 b Barningham Sfk living in. In 1881 he lived in Back Street, Thetford St Peter, where two other people lived: Betsy SHEPHERD, a boarder and Teacher from Grimsby aged 30, and Moni SIMPER servant, aged 15 from Troston, Suffolk. In 1883 he lived at at Shrublands House, 60 St Nicholas St. He was appointed a JP before 1907 and in 1916 was living in Fern House, Earles St, Thetford and became a land tax commissioner.. The London Times reports his election as Mayor on 10 November 1898 and again on 10 Nov 1899. He gave evidence to the Royal Commission on the Poor Law etc which you can see here. For an obituary, click here For an account of his funeral in 1932, click here - his death certificate records that he was a retired merchant and magistrate

In 1898 the White Lion and two adjoining cottages, copyhold of the Manor of Sibton in Croxton, were surrendered by Jane Peak WARD to Stephen, to whom copyhold was conveyed in 1900
He was also in partnership with 72 William James Oldman jnr, his half brother (which was dissolved 31st Dec 1907) working as "Corn and seed merchants and auctioneers" in Thetford and Stow Bedon. There is a photograph taken of a civic celebration for the coronation of King George V in 1910 at which Stephen was present here

Children of Stephen and Jane
137......Alfred born 21 Oct 1870 Earles Lane, Thetford [Certif] d 4 July 1919 Horsford, Norfolk aged 48
138......Herbert William b 20 Feb 1872 [family bible] [Thetford 4b 393] m 94 Lillie Leigh MATTHEWS (b 1874 d 1939) 1 Oct 1908 St Ives Methodist Chapel & Schools
Note: In 1891 he was an engineering apprentice aged 18 boarding at Olwen Street, St Ives, Hunts. At the time of the marriage, Herbert was living at 6 Cromwell Place, St Ives and Lillie was at The Quadrant, St Ives. Witnesses to the wedding were S OLDMAN, Mary LEIGH, E Leigh, Sam LEIGH. Herbert was an an engineer who worked at Fowell and Sons, Agricultural Engineers, and bought the firm out early in the 20th century. It became H W Oldman, Ltd., until he died, when it was taken over and run by a Mr Rouse until it finally sold up in the 1980s. You can see the story of the firm here
139......Edith Sarah born 27 Oct 1873 [family bible] [Thetford 4b 363] m Arthur John CHELL ( b 7 Mar 1879 [family bible] Little Bolton, Lancs) 10 Jun 1905 [family bible][Thetford 4b 765]
Note: Arthur was a Builders' Foreman from Alexander Villa, Kings Road, Kingston upon Thames and was the son of Thomas CHELL, Engineer (b 1st qr 1851 [Chesterfield 19 567] and Sarah SMITH
There is a website for the Chell family here
140......Henry [Harry] Fowell born 10 Mar 1877 [family bible] [Thetford 4b 390]
141......Arthur Charles b 8 Oct 1878 [family bible] [Thetford 4b 381] d 27 Dec 1905 [family bible] [Thetford 4b 216]

142......Florence b 7 Oct 1874 m Frederick DUNSTAN
143......Grace Arthurine 20 Oct 1875 m Harry GADSDEN Note: At some time Grace (unmarried) lived at 38 Monis Road, Lewes and later at 15 Toronto Terrace, Lewes [Marion Oldman's address book]

Children of William and Annie
144......Nancy Ethel P b 4th qr 1902 [Fulham 1a 354]
145......Dennis dob unknown

GENERATION 8

A photograph of some of the people in this generation taken 3rd July 1936 may be seen here

Children of Walter and Anna
146......Laurence William b 1st qr 1893 [Christchurch 2b 297]
147......Elsie Mabel b 3rd qr 1894 [Christchurch 2b 658]
148......Kathleen Marie b 4th qr 1895 [Christchurch 2b 649]

Child of David and Gertrude
149......Olive b 10 Jul 1894 d 25 Oct 1976 m Charles E DIMMITT

Children of Albert and Kate
150......Albert John b 10 Dec 1900 [Conway 11b 450] m Milbrow GREEN 10 Sep 1927 Kings Swinford, Stourbridge
151......Philip Arthur b 23 Jan 1903 [family bible] [Conway 11b 458] m Dorothy Aiken SMITH (b 22 Aug 1905 Macduff, Bannfshire) 29 Aug 1932 English Methodist Church Conway

Children of Walter and Alice
152....Phyllis Ethel Mary b 29 Jul 1904 [Kettering 3b 163]
153....William John Noel b 25 Dec 1906 Kettering 3b 145] d 4th qr 1877 [Enfield 12 311] m Blanche Iris TRAXTON
154....Alice Elizabeth Louise ("Betty") b 8 Nov 1909 [Kettering 3b 151]
155.....Eric Rushbrook b 1st qr 1911 [Gt Yarmouth 4b 22]

Note: At some time Ernest was living at 1 Redding Terrace, Wallington Street, Nottingham [Marion Oldman's address book]

Children of Ernest and Esther
156......Ernest Stephen Argyll b 16 Jan 1905 Yorkshire [Wortley 9c 364] m Hilda WHITFIELD Colne, Lancs
157......Esther Clarice Kate b 27 Jan 1907 Yorkshire [Wortley 9c 347] m William Harold MILLER of Nottingham 1928
158......Living female b 20 Nov 1921 [Nottingham 7b 675] m Mr GUNSTON

Note: Henry was the son of Henry MARTIN, bookbinder, Agnes was assistant matron at the workhouse, Castle Acre, where Henry (Harry) was a porter. Witnesses to the marriage were John OLDMAN, Alfred OLDMAN, Marriane OLDMAN and Jessie KETTLE and Mary Ann BENSON

Children of Henry and Agnes
159......Edith Louisa b 23 Sep 1908 [Freebridge 4b 275] d 4 Aug 1975 London m Thomas Redvers BROWN (b 17 Jun 1900 Walthamstow)
160......Maisie dob unknown

Children of Stephen and Gertrude
161......Sidney dob unknown
162......Edna b 3rd qr 1922 [Samford 4a 1757] m John PERROTT

Note: In 1881 the family was at 9 Ellen's View, Hook and Edward was an iron planer. In 1891 he was a dock labourer living at 49 Mason Terrace, Hook, Goole. In 1901 the family was at 11 Campbell Street, Abercrombie Terrace, Holy Trinity and St Mary, Kingston upon Hull. Edward was a corporation labourer

Children of Edward and Mary Ann
G38......Joseph b 1872 Stanningley, Yorks m Betsy DOBSON (b Goole 1874) 4th qr 1908 [Glossop 7b 1826]
Note: In 1891 Joseph was a brick layer, living with his parents. In 1911 he and Mary were 42 Palmer Road, Sheffield
G39......Eliza Ellen b 1875 Stanningley, Yorks
G40......George Edward b 1877 Stanningley, Yorks
Note: In 1891 George was an errand boy, living with his parents
G41......Augusta b 1879 Stanningley Yorks
G42......Robert William b 1882 Goole Yorks
Note: Robert was a brick layer in 1891, living with his parents
G43......Thomas B b abt 1885 Goole Yorks
Note: Thomas was a brick layer apprentice in 1891, living with his parents
G44......Charles b 1893 Goole Yorks
G45......Clarissa b 1896 Goole Yorks

Child of Augusta and unknown
G46......Amy Elizabeth GARNER b 21 Jan 1868 Marylebone

Note: James was a farm labourer in 1881 living at Backway, Melbourn, Cambs

Children of James and Louisa
G47......James Stanford b 1869 Melbourn m Rosina GOULDTHORPE 1902 Royston
Note: James was a farm labourer in 1881
G48......Ada Ann b 1874 Melbourn
G49......Rose Ellen b 1876 Melbourn
G50......Ethel Maud b 1880/1 Melbourne
G51......Wilfred Oliver b 1884 Melbourne
G52......Frederick Theodore b 1888 Melbourne
G53......Florence Emily b 1890/1 Melbourne

Note: In 1891 the family was at 9 Victoria Place, Dalton, Mold Green, Huddersfield and Joseph was an engine driver whilst Eliza was a dressmaker. In 1901 the family was at 38 Pasture Road, Goole and Joseph was a hydraulic crane driver at the docks. Eliza is shown as a dressmaker and draper. There was a visitor, Arabella ODDY aged 34, an upholstress from Huddersfield. In 1911 they were at the same address

Children of Joseph and Eliza
G54......Bertha b 1877 Garthorpe, Lincs d 1884 Goole RD
G55......Alfred b 1883 Goole
Note: Alfred was a butcher's assistant in 1901
G56......Eliza b 1885 Goole d 1st qr 1910 Goole
Note: Eliza was a music teacher in 1901
G57......Beatrice Annie b 1887 Goole m Robert COLLIER 3rd qr 1913 [Goole 9c 1830]
Note: Beatrice was a school teacher in 1911

Note: In 1861 Angelo was at Lord Street, Hoddesdon

Children of Joseph and Annie
G58......Bertie Saunders (fem) b 16 Nov 1883 Ingersoll, Ontario
G59......Gordon James b 24 Dec 1884 Dereham, Oxford Co, Ontario
G60......Joseph Angelo b 27 Apr 1886 Ontario
G61......Katie b 4 Jan 1888 St Thomas, Elgin Co, Ontario m Arthur Valentine MEEK 3 Mar 1922 Woodstock, Ozford Co, Ontario
Note: Witnesses to the marriage were Barbara Christie & Margaret Bell, both of Woodstock

See Morley branch here

Witnesses were 114 Herbert William OLDMAN and 115 Edith Sarah OLDMAN
Alfred started his working life as a reporter at the Swindon Gazette, then moving to the Bury Free Press where is 1891 he was lodging at 18 Guildhall Street, Bury St Edmunds. At about the time of his marriage he was reporter and football editor for the East Anglian Daily Times in Ipswich and they lived at first at 106 Spring Road Ipswich, and were there in 1898 when Harold was christened. He left to become Election Agent for William SOAMES, Liberal MP, and in spite of his politics, his acknowledged integrity allowed him to become the deputy Registration Officer for Norfolk. Contrary to a family story, he was not an MP himself! In the 1901 census he was recorded as living at Hockwold with Marrianne's parents as a Liberal Political Agent.

They lived at Albion House, Harleston, Norfolk for about 20 years during which time he became a district and a parish councillor. He had an Alldays and Onions car which carried his initials on the radiator - have a look at the car here. On leaving for Horsford the year before his death, they were given an award by the people of Harleston, subscribers completing a book with their names which is still in the family. [E-mail us by clicking at the bottom of the page if you wish to enquire about Harleston names in the book]

Whilst in Harleston he was secretary of the Bowls club attached to the Magpie Inn (still there) and in 1906 won the bowls tournement - his house backed onto the bowling green (now a car park) and Marianne would come to the fence to call him in for lunch!

He was Captain and Secretary of the Harleston Rifle Club, Secretary of the Norfolk Rifle Club and a member of the National Rifle Association, as well as being in the 220 Club, and had many trophies and medals, some of which are still in our posession. He had joined a cycling club in Swindon, and was awarded a medal for cycling 108 miles in 12 hours in 1892 - on a Penny Farthing, more properly known as an "Ordinary" which had been made specially for his measurements.

[See pages for Morley and Green]

Children of Alfred and Marriane
163......Harold Morley b 19 Dec 1897 [family bible] bap 21 Apr 1898 Hockwold d 1st qr 1964 [Ashton 10b 85]
Note: Harold worked in a bank most of his life, but was a driver in the Royal Flying Corps in WW1
164......Evelyn Beryl (Mollie) b 26 Jul 1909 Albion House, Harleston d 11 Oct 1986 Ipswich Hospital
Note Mollie was taught to play the piano by Lizzie Wain (Johnson branch)

Child of Alan and Doris
M25......Living male b 19 Aug 1945 London

Note: In 1909 Harry is reported as a councillor being elected as a governor of the Grammar School in Thetford, thus making three generations involved in local government; in 1911 the census has them at Princess Gardens, Peterborough. Also present were Harriet PAWSEY a 57 year old Housekeeper from Bradfield St Clare and Alice Maud OLDFIELD a 22 year old general servant from Thetford, At some time Harry was living at 2 Waverley Grove, Church End, Finchley [Marion Oldman's address book]

Children of Harry and Kate
165......Harry b1902 d 1902 [Thetford 4b 227]
166......Hugh Russell b 11 Mar 1908 bap 2 Jun 1908 Thetford
Note: Hugh lived at some time at 77 St Philips Avenue, Perm Fields, Wolverhampton. He married and was a solicitor

Children of Frederick and Florence
167......Winifred dob unknown
168......Freda dob unknown
169......Rhoda dob unknown
170......Vivian dob unknown

GENERATION 9

Note: Witnesses to the marriage were Levi Wheatley & Maggie Phelps. The 1911 cencus shows the family at 96 Chrisp Street, Poplar and Herbert was a grocer

Children of Herbert and Amy
G62......Edgar b abt 1894 Bermondsey
Note: In 1911 Edgar was assisting in his father's grocer's shop
G63......Hugh b abt 1898 Holloway

Child of Alfred and Sarah
G55a....Joseph William b 1910 Goole

Note In 1891 Walter was a builder's clerk and the family lived at 87 Grove Road, New Windsor. In 1911 they were at 80 Napier Road, Tottenham and Walter was an insurance agent

Child of Walter and Rose
G64......Robert b Dec 1900 Melbourne, Cambsr
G64a....Elsie b 1905 Mortlake, Surrey

Child of Gordon and Agnes
G65......Frank A b 24 May 1910 Michigan USA d 20 Jun 1971 Milford, Oakland Co, Michigan USA
Note: In 1920 Frank lived at 564 Michigan Avenue, Detroit, Wayne County, Michigan, USA; age 9; in 1930 he was at 9055 Tainer [?] Street, Detroit, Wayne County, Michigan, USA; age 20; single; electrician,

Child of Joseph and Margaret
G66......Ernest Angelo b 12 Mar 1912 d 10 Oct 1912

Children of Harold and Irene
171......Child
172......Diana Mary b 1st qr 1922 [Thetford 4b 579] m Desmond Manrill RUMMINS 12 Oct 1959 St Mary's Church, Hampton Park, Eastbourne
Note: Diana had been a secretary living at 289 Kings Drive, Eastbourne, and Desmond was a baker's roundsman living at 46 Pakefield Ave, Eastbourne when they married. Witnesses were G RUMMINS and A M SAINT.

Note: See the Green branch here

Children of Edward and Mollie
173......Richard b 25 Sep 1932 Hillmorton, Rugby (Me)
174......James Robert b 5 Apr 1937 84 Westbury Rd Ipswich
175......Jennifer Mary b 27 Dec 1943 Queenscliffe Cottage, Kesteven Rd Ipswich

Note: In WW2, Hugh was an officer (no 162346) in the Royal Norfolk Regiment. By 1970 he was a solicitor working in the practice of H Bevir and Son, Wooton Basset, Wilts

Children of Hugh and Norah
176......John b 1st qr 1941 [Crewe 8a 844]
177......Mary R b 4th qr 1947 [Maidenhead 6a 45]
178......Elizabeth dob unknown

Children
M26......Living female b 14 Sep 1970 Northampton
M27......Living male b 4 Mar 1973

GENERATION 10

Children
M28......Living male b 16 Jun 2002
M29......Living male b 8 Jul 2004

M30......Living female b 31 Oct 2006
M31......Living male b 26 Oct 2008

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